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Casino Opposition Encouraged to Ramp Up Operations

Stephanie Crimmins, a leader of Casino Free Foxborough, spoke to residents of Milford and the surrounding towns about how they can stop proposed Crossroads project.

 

In order to prevent a casino from coming to Milford, speakers at last night's Casino Free Milford encouraged residents to begin spreading the word about the downsides of a casino.

The group invited Stephanie Crimmins to speak to residents about what she did while working to oppose the casino proposed in Foxborough.

Crimmins focused on what worked in Foxborough and what she learned going through the process of fighting the Wynn-Kraft casino proposal.

“What really worked for us in Foxborough was the drop in house values, they dropped 20 percent on the roads leading to and around Foxwoods,” she said.

While Crimmins was volunteering in Foxborough she was able to meet with a former mayor of Ledyard Connecticut, the home of Foxwoods casino.

“You don’t have to look that far to see what happens to a small town when a casino opens there,” she said. “It’s drugs, it’s guns, it’s crimes, it’s pawnshops that follow the money to town.”

One audience member asked Crimmins what to tell residents who don't think the proposal is serious.

“This is already real,” she said. “They wouldn’t have plunked down the $400,000 application fee if they didn’t think this was a possibility.”

Simply telling people about the casino will help sway public opinion against the casino, Crimmins said.

“The fact is that most people don’t know or aren’t thinking about this a lot,” she told the audience. “It’s not that hard to convince a reasonable person this is not the right thing for the town of Milford.”

Spreading the word in Milford will take a step forward Monday when Casino Free Milford has been invited to speak before the Milford Board of Selectmen. Everyone who will be in attendance was encouraged to show up with signs and stand outside Milford Town Hall before the meeting and wear red to show solidarity.

“Our goal on Monday is to put enough pain to get them to really think hard about putting a casino in Milford,” Ken Rockett, one of the group’s leaders said. “We’re going to post our presentation on our website after the meeting. I think those of you that can’t attend will be very happy with it.”

Related Topics: Casino Free Milford, Crossroads Milford, and Stephanie Crimmins

Danu

6:16 am on Friday, March 15, 2013

What about the jobs it will bring to the area?

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Ray Fellows

6:04 pm on Saturday, March 16, 2013

How many people around Milford do you know that have casino experience. They bring those people in from all around the country. The only jobs we will see here are cleaning people and parking attendants.

Amy Ritterbusch

6:46 am on Friday, March 15, 2013

Ms Crimmins said last night that 87% of Connecticut casino jobs only pay $22,000/year, which is below the federal poverty level.

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CM

7:30 am on Friday, March 15, 2013

The employees who work these low paying jobs will need nearby housing. They will not be purchasing a house in Milford or any other neighboring town. Renting will take a large chunk of their pay. A housing option used near other casinos, because they are full-time shift workers at a 24/7 operation, is to rent out "hot-beds." They actually share beds, each renting them out for 8 or 10 hours a day. Then it's back to work. This CAN'T be good for housing prices in Milford. our properties have already suffered enough in this economic downturn!

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Myd Nevins

6:21 pm on Friday, March 15, 2013

Again the railing against renters. There are plenty of people who live quite comfortably with a rent thats below the some of the mortgage payments of a few people I know.

CM

7:43 am on Friday, March 15, 2013

Everyone should view the following video before deciding a casino is "good"for Milford. It was produced by the residents of Foxboro during their casino fight. It clearly shows the negative impacts that Foxwoods has had on the town it occupies and those that surround their operation. Casinos promise the world to the host town with pet projects the town has had on their "wish list".....but,, in the end, casinos OVER PROMISE and UNDER DELIVER!
http://casinofreemilford.com/video/

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Michael Soares

9:00 am on Friday, March 15, 2013

Amy, aren't most of the jobs housekeeping and waitstaff? That's about average for those fields. With unemployment so high I wouldn't discourage any job creation. You can't get middle class wages to go up until the over supply of labor is taken care of. For the record I'm a Milford resident and I haven't yet decided to support or oppose the casino. So keep the data coming.

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CM

9:28 am on Friday, March 15, 2013

Michael, Please view the video below. It is an eye-opening "lessons learned" video. We CAN learn from history; it does NOT have to repeat itself! A casino does not belong in a residential area..... And by the way, the unemployment rate in Milford is 5.8%, below the state's 7.7%. Sadly, there will never be, nor has there ever been, 0% unemployment.
http://casinofreemilford.com/video/

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Ray Fellows

6:13 pm on Saturday, March 16, 2013

I can name you dozens of companies and stores in Milford that you can walk into today and get a minimum wage job. There is never a shortage of those types of jobs. I was just in the grocery store today and they needed people for $8 an hour to work the deli.

Minimum wage jobs arent job creation. I cab guarantee you a casino will never be placed in Milford. They can take this to Worcester.

unclkebuck

9:42 am on Friday, March 15, 2013

No thank you, build it somewhere else please!

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GZE

9:45 am on Friday, March 15, 2013

Michael,
Yes, most of the casino jobs will be low-paying service jobs, which some area residents might want, BUT we probably do not have nearly enough people to fill those positions. in the presentation by Stephanie Crimmins last night, she explained that in Connecticut, the casinos are so desperate to hire workers that they bring them from overseas: China, Russia, Thailand Those workers come to live here only for two to three years. They come with their children, and as a result the local schools are hugely burdened because the schools now have non-English speaking students to educate. In Norwich, CT, the school system has to accommodate students speaking 31 different languages! Can you imagine what programs Milford would have to cut in order to pay for instruction in 31 different languages?! Bringing more jobs to the area should be a goal, BUT casino jobs should NOT be the goal.

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Francis P. Ardito,Sr

3:56 pm on Friday, March 15, 2013

GZE, Most jobs in casinos pay minimum wage. As I said several times in the past, I'm against a Milford casino. Minimum wage positions will cause employee turnover. Our traffic, infrastructure, police capability will all be affected. The corruption observed in Atlantic City, NJ will happen here.

Forkids

9:57 am on Friday, March 15, 2013

Why do people continue to talk about casino jobs being good for Milford? Low wage jobs could be fine for an individual. But it comes at too high a price. The folks who work there could not afford to buy a house here. The best jobs would be the construction ones. But that is temporary and likely not local. And this is funny. The very few people employed by the casino or a good restaurant who make really good money would never choose to actually live here.

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Michael Soares

10:37 am on Friday, March 15, 2013

I think Milford is a great place to live, so I'll have to disagree with you there.

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Myd Nevins

6:18 pm on Friday, March 15, 2013

An argument can be made that not everyone wants to buy a house. Quite happy renting myself.

Michael Soares

10:34 am on Friday, March 15, 2013

CM, no offense but I never take anyone's word for it when they give statistics. So I looked it up for myself. As of January 2013 Milford's unemployment rate was 7.2% http://lmi2.detma.org/lmi/lmi_lur_a.asp

You would have been correct though a few months ago. These are NOT seasonally adjusted numbers and it was as low as 5% in November. I know it will never be zero but most text books I have read generally accept 3-4% as full employment. I will watch the video as soon as I have 30 minutes to watch it.

Geri, you make a very interesting point. Something I think that the Milford Selectmen should bring up in the negotiations IF the casino were to pass.

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CM

1:22 pm on Friday, March 15, 2013

Sorry about the old numbers. Thanks for keeping an open mind on the video. It's well worth the time. It truly is eye opening!

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Chris

5:57 pm on Saturday, March 16, 2013

Selectmen can negiate all they want. If the casino goes bankrupt or is sold, all those deals would likely go out the window. What are the chances that the casino would fail? Well, Foxwoods is in deep financial trouble and has already restructured its debt and stiffed a lot of vendors (and they are still a couple billion in debt). It's just not worth the risks.

Forkids

11:35 am on Friday, March 15, 2013

Michael, I meant that those very well paid casino folks won't want to live here after the casino is built. It won't be the same place at all. Crashing property values no matter what the market is, is just the tip of the iceberg.

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Bill Ferguson

1:00 pm on Friday, March 15, 2013

Folks i talked to in Las Vegas say it is a constant difficult job to keep organized crime away from the casinos and they have been at it a long time.

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Myd Nevins

6:35 pm on Friday, March 15, 2013

For the record, I'm still not for or against a casino here.

But I'd dismiss the comparison between here and Las Vegas. There will be one casino here (possibly) while Las Vegas has almost 2 million people, an international airport, and countless casinos. Very different.

Just waiting next for someone to say they have a cousin from Sodom or Gomorrah and their cousin said that casinos ruined two perfectly good suburbs.

Jim O'Connor

4:49 pm on Friday, March 15, 2013

Whatever the merits of a casino, the jobs don't need to be low paying. As a condition, the Town should require that the developer enter into agreements with unions as was done recently in MD.
From the 2-6-13 Baltimore Business Journal:
"Applicants for a license to operate a casino in Prince George’s County will have to reach a “labor peace agreement” with unions and provide their employees with health insurance and retirement benefits."

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Chris

6:03 pm on Saturday, March 16, 2013

Typically those types of conditions don't apply to part-time employees. Casinos will talk about jobs in terms of FTEs, Full Time Equivalents. However, many, if not most jobs will be part- time.

Michael Soares

4:54 pm on Friday, March 15, 2013

Jim, I really like that idea. And it also shows that if a casino is approved, there are ways and ideas like yours that can be implemented to minimize negative secondary effects.

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gamingfacts

6:10 pm on Friday, March 15, 2013

Fact #1
Resort casinos will generate millions of dollars for the Bay State.
Fact #2
Massachusetts resort casinos will not hurt the state lottery.
Fact #3
Massachusetts resort casinos will help local businesses.
Fact #4
Massachusetts resort casinos will not increase crime.
act #5
Massachusetts resort casinos will not cause increased gaming addiction.
Fact #6
Connecticut’s declining gaming revenues is not a warning to Massachusetts

Thorough explanation provided at link.

http://jobsandgrowthtoday.org/the-facts-on-resort-casinos-in-massachusetts/

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Chris

6:15 pm on Wednesday, March 20, 2013

Verbatim copy from the now defunct Massachusetts Jobs and Growth Today, the official lobbying group that argued for the passage of the gambling legislation in Massachusetts and was funded predominantly by the construction unions and Suffolk Downs. They must've just closed down, because that link was working just a few days ago.

gamingfacts

6:15 pm on Friday, March 15, 2013

Anti-gaming activists and their Poor Scholarship Lives On

While gaming opponents and proponents have debated the costs and benefits associated with commercial casino gaming for generations, the vigorousness of this debate reached new levels during the late 1980s and early 1990s when a number of states, particularly in the Midwest and South, turned to casino gaming as a means for promoting economic development, creating jobs and generating additional tax revenues for state and local government.

Since that time, and through the days of the National Gambling Impact Study Commission, which issued its final report in 1999, a small but vocal cadre of gaming opponents, aided and abetted by an uncritical media establishment, has been “carrying the water” for what probably appears to casual observers and the general public to be a more broad-based movement. Let’s shed some light on the nature and makeup of the central figures in opposition of gaming in the U.S. today and illustrate how shaky the ground is upon which many of their intellectual arguments rest.

Thorough explanation provided at link.Earl Grinols, Robert Goodman,Tom Grey debunked.

http://ggbmagazine.com/issue/vol__7_no__5_may_2008/article/anti-gaming_activists

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Chris

6:09 pm on Wednesday, March 20, 2013

Just to clarify, your source is Global Gaming Business magazine, the official publication of the American Gaming Association.

gamingfacts

7:29 pm on Friday, March 15, 2013

Stephanie Crimmins is wrong and conveniently does not include tips as compensation in her salary figures.I challenge Stephanie Crimmins and anyone else to find any casino dealer, casino waitress, bartender,or any one of a dozen other casino floor employees that are (not including entry level cleaning and security positions) making $22,000 a year in the gaming industry at any casino in the country.

2011 Average Casino Pay by Function
Casino……………..$43,472.55
Rooms……………..$45,484.11
Food…………........$41,989.84
Beverage….……….$31,576.02
Other……….…..….$48,336.99
G & A………..….....$65,095.44

This is based on a comprehensive 22 year study covering ALL Casino employees by UNLV in Las Vegas.

Compensation is higher in the Northeast and compensation ranges can also be higher when including tips for various beverage, room, dealer and floor personal.Like any other business, some casino jobs are entry level, most are not and pay much higher wages.

http://gaming.unlv.edu/reports/lvstrip_emp.pdf

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Chris

6:22 pm on Wednesday, March 20, 2013

Yay! A valid piece of research! It's too bad it didn't include the 80/20 breakdown so we could compare apples to apples. Ms. Crimmins statement was that 80 or maybe she said 84% of jobs averaged $22K. I read the study you cite (by the way it's for Vegas casinos only); the average salary (total payroll divided by number of employees) was in the $45K range in 2012. Included in that group are some senior executives who we can guess make over $200K, managers who make around $100K, supervisors who make say $60K, etc. They probably make up around 15 - 20% of the staff. The remaining 80% average around $25K. That 80/20 rule is a pain, isn't it?

gamingfacts

7:58 pm on Friday, March 15, 2013

Community Leaders' Perceptions of Gaming Industry's Effects
Comprehensive study done by Dr.Peter Hart (pdf)

Google link and click on first result Community Leaders' Perceptions of Gaming Industry's Effects for the pdf.file by Peter Hart.

http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Community+Leaders%27+Perceptions+of+Gaming+Industry%27s+Effects%22&hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&prmd=ivns&ei=S7RDUZfODdLI4APiyIGgBA&start=0&sa=N

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Chris

6:23 pm on Wednesday, March 20, 2013

American Gaming Association propaganda. Thanks, but no.

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Chris

6:25 pm on Wednesday, March 20, 2013

This is a regurgitation, with attribution, of the exact same propaganda from the AGA you posted above it. Keep trying.

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Chris

6:31 pm on Wednesday, March 20, 2013

Point for gamingfacts! Finally. Of course, it's also true (as the article states) that crime nationally and throughout Connecticut declined dramatically in the 90s, although the decline in crime rate was actually slower in the casino towns than the rest of the state, and other crimes, including thefts actually increased in those towns during that timeframe. In fact, embezzlement tripled in Connecticut in the period after the casinos were built. But, other than that, you've got a winner, there.

Dennis Wilson

8:36 pm on Friday, March 15, 2013

Actually, I'd be far more inclined to believe Ms. Crimmins. She uses her real name.

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gamingfacts

10:19 pm on Friday, March 15, 2013

Stoptauntoncasino, nofoxborocasino, casinofreemilford, and several other of these sites that were set up in host communities depend on debunked information provided by the zealots of United To Stop Slots and other radical anti-casino groups. Nofoxborocasino is a prime example of a site that depends on the lies and falsehoods spread by anti-casino radicals as factual information. The websites that have been set up in prospective host communities have absolutely no facts whatsoever but rather depend on propaganda provided by radical anti-casino groups that have been debunked for years. Themes of fear and crime are developed on blogs and local newspapers by the anti-casino crusaders at will.They will use any tactics, including propaganda and fearmongering to try to advance their agenda to stop casinos in all locations throughout the state.

You may believe what you wish sir. If you have your mind made up...then nothing presented from the other side will change that position.That being said, the actions displayed by nofoxborocasino in turning town elections in Foxboro into a casino issue was one of the most despicable cases of dirty politics in recent memory.The people of Milford do not need that kind of garbage in their town. Ms. Crimmins has no business sticking her nose into the workings of Milford politics and what is right or wrong for the town of Milford.

gamingfacts

8:48 pm on Friday, March 15, 2013

Boom or bust? Casino gaming and host municipalities.

"Several conclusions can be drawn from the results presented in this study. First, in the opinion of those surveyed, legalized casino gaming is an important revenue generation endeavor for the majority of the communities examined here. It offers an opportunity to reap millions of dollars annually when few (if any) other options exist. Second, most officials view gaming as a valid, important, and legitimate economic development option for their respective communities, one that spurs secondary or tertiary development near the casino development and elsewhere in the community. Third, casino profits allow host municipalities to undertake projects and fund programs that would normally not be fundable without casino dollars, particularly large capital improvement endeavors. Fourth, communities that possess non-Native-American gaming (especially riverboat gaming) reap the largest financial rewards from legalized gambling. Fifth, gaming appears to represent a sustainable economic development presence over time, rather than simply being a short-term novelty, for most of the communities studied here. Finally, with regard to long-term economic development success, destination-type casinos that attract non-local gamers offer the greatest benefits for host municipalities."

http://www.biomedsearch.com/article/Boom-bust-Casino-gaming-host/134676972.html

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Peter Scandone

9:16 pm on Friday, March 15, 2013

Gaming facts - which casino are you associated with/ what is in it for you?

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gamingfacts

9:40 pm on Friday, March 15, 2013

You obviously have a problem with both sides being presented ? Did I attack you as you have just done ? Please keep the conversation and debate on the issues and facts instead of personal attacks.

Peter Scandone

10:08 pm on Friday, March 15, 2013

My comment is not an attack? I am inquiring about your interest and extensive knowledge of the casino business.

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Ralph

11:08 pm on Friday, March 15, 2013

Sorry Gamingfacts, don't think Peter's post was a personal attack, but a valid question. You posted 8 times, in some cases with great zeal, in favor of a Casino. Almost seemed scripted.

'Methinks thou dost protest too much'

Maybe the better question to gamingfacts is 'Do you work for, have interest in, or represent a Casino?' Another question I would pose to gamingfacts... 'Do you live in Milford?'

I do live in Milford and have concerns about traffic, safety, water supply and many other issues- That I know of.. none of these concerns have been addressed by Mr. Nunes directly to the people of Milford. It would be nice to have these concerns addressed in town, in person, in front of the people of Milford.

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gamingfacts

12:16 am on Saturday, March 16, 2013

The effects on home values in host communities provided by nofoxborocasino and Stephanie Crimmins is also wild speculation with very little substance to back it up.

There are dozens of studies that dispute that home values will be adversely affected by casinos at all and in fact have risen in host communities in several places.Your concerns about traffic, safety, water supply are all valid and should be addressed. It is not that those matters shouldn't be addressed. It is the rest of the nonsense and fearmongering that has no basis in reality that should be put aside. As you can see, this whole process is moving at a snails pace and no doubt much is left to be addressed by Mr.Nunes and his partners before a vote can take place. Keep an open mind Ralph. If you decide no, do it because of facts and not propaganda.

gamingfacts

11:43 pm on Friday, March 15, 2013

Just an average citizen as are you. I have no affiliation whatsoever with the casino industry. My extensive knowledge of the casino business comes from doing the research needed to form an opinion on the matter over the years and a desire to stop the lies and falsehoods spread by vicious and hateful anti-casino groups.They have destroyed the careers, reputations, and jobs of countless people with malicious slander of anyone who dares stand in the way of their agenda.They will use racism, slander of 'uneducated workers', and every other means available to denigrate the people who work in the industry.They were trounced in their efforts state wide to stop casinos from coming to this state and they have vowed to move in locally and destroy all debate in prospective host communities that favor casinos.They will use any means possible to confuse and cloud the issues and they will denigrate anyone and any town leader who has the gall to be pro casino in a prospective host community as was proven in Foxboro.

Somebody asked why no information was being offered up from the pro side a short time back. I had some time tonight and provided some information for those who might be interested in hearing from both sides. Those who take the time to read the information can choose to use it how they wish. It will be the citizens of the town of Milford that decide the issue if the process gets that far.

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Chris

7:46 pm on Wednesday, March 20, 2013

So ... not a resident of Milford, then?

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Ray Fellows

8:36 pm on Wednesday, March 20, 2013

There will NEVER be a casino in Milford, I guarantee it. I doesnt make sense.

Mike M

8:21 am on Saturday, March 16, 2013

MD2002

One of my other consideration is with a casino so close who's to say your mother's, father's, brother's and other family members find it very convenient to get to the casino. Along with other Milford residents. It's not hard to blow your salary at a casino in one night. Then you can't pay the mortgage and so on and so fourth. I know everyone is responsible for themselves but as someone who had a gambling problem. It's a sickness, and once it starts it doesn't stop. You lose everything and don't realize it. You just want to gamble more. People who may have never stepped foot in a casino or have never gambled; all of a sudden find themselves in debt from "checking out the casino" and it turns into an every weekend thing. This is not being over dramatic either. It doesn't take long before you realize your loved ones are throwing away all their money. I lived it, it's not fun.

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Esther Driscoll

10:14 am on Saturday, March 16, 2013

I can second that. Foxwoods caused my aunts marriage to disintegrate and my cousins college funds to be gambled away. The gambling losses were hidden until it was too late. I find gaming facts statement that they are an average citizen to be completely disingenous and the facts offered are slanted. Crime decreasing in ct as a whole has nothing to do with the casinos. To draw a parallel is misleading. Crime in ledyard ansolutely went up and the impact on surrounding towns has been significant. I have several family members who lived through it or witnessed it first hand. So Gaming facts may cite"studies" But first hand accounts cannot be disputed. One study often cited selectively examined crime statistics. Sure facts can be presented in a certain light By both sides. But citizens opposed to casinos have no monetary interest and are only concerned with the health and well being of fellow citizens. Gaming moguls Have one interest and one interst only: money. So who should the people believe? the answer is quite apparent.

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