It’s been said that the people get the government they deserve. If this is true then it seems to me that we either collectively do not have a high opinion of ourselves, or that we have a dangerous ambivalence about our government.
Last week’s blog put you into the role of a principal shareholder in a “hypothetical” international organization, empowered to decide if the interim CEO should be reappointed or replaced. This week’s assignment is more difficult – make some decisions by interviewing your mirror.
Here are a few questions to get your interview started:
- What do you expect from government?
- Are you expecting too much, or demanding too little?
- What is your responsibility for insisting on better government?
Your mirror may uncover troubling reflections. For instance, do you complain more about government than take an active role in staying informed, or even voting? Have you swallowed so much pandering kool-aid that you’re now gagging on political castor oil? Do you even believe that the right leader can still emerge at the right time to get the Country back on track?
So if the government we are getting is what we really deserve:
- What does it say about We the people if a candidate for Senate, who has misrepresented her ethnic background to take advantage of inapplicable affirmative action laws, is nominated for Senate, and possibly elected? Is this OK or do we not deserve elected officials with personal integrity?
- Is it also OK for the Vice President of the United States to tell a primarily black audience that that Republicans want to put “y’all back in chains”? Is this what we deserve, or is this an embarrassing insult to all of us?
- Do we deserve the Senate President gratuitously saying that Mitt Romney had paid no income taxes for 10 years, based on an anonymous “word” and no proof? Don’t we deserve government officials with greater nobility?
- Or, which is the larger outrage, that the Democrats ran an ad claiming that Romney was responsible for the death of a man’s wife even if the charges were untrue, or that the President has not denounced it, or that his wife is repeating it? Whatever happened to a sense of dignity or shame?
- Is it OK to make a bigger deal out of Romney’s past income tax filings than Obama’s refusal to release his college records? I mean, if we really want openness, let’s open up everything from everyone – don’t we deserve this?
- And do we deserve to hear the utter nonsense from the Obama campaign that someone as accomplished as Romney is a felon for what he did or did not do as CEO of Bain Capital, any more than we deserve to hear 16 reasons why Obama was not born in the United States?
- Is it acceptable for Paul Ryan to be demonized and depicted as pushing Granny over a cliff while presenting a potential plan to solve the problem of Medicare bankruptcy? Didn’t this used to be called leadership? At some point we actually believed that we deserved leadership, and even admired it.
- Are you OK with the idea that half of us pay no income tax, that our borders are not protected, that we have mortgaged the Country’s future to China, that the White House leaks national security information to falsely enlarge the President, or that the Democrat Senate has not put forward a budget in over three years? These are the fundamentals of governance. Don’t we deserve better?
- Is it acceptable that not a day goes by when we are not hearing about class warfare, or a war on religion, or a war on gun owners, or a war on women or successful small business owners who apparently do not build their own businesses? Do we deserve to be sliced and diced and segmented and categorized and divided, then sub-divided into groups, and labeled hyphenated Americans? Is this the America we know? Is this the new normal that we must accept or deserve?
- Are you OK with the sense that as our problems look bigger and our futures look darker, our Presidents look smaller? Do our diminished Presidents diminish us? Is this what we deserve, or is this what we have permitted?
So here we are, living with the government we deserve, learning this eternal truth, “When you stand next to an outhouse long enough, the smells become indiscernible.” If you think that we deserve more and better from government, how much responsibility, as an enabler are you willing to accept?
This is admittedly coming from a Republican’s perspective, so I expect to receive a few comments from the other side. If so, go for it, but it will just affirm the larger point that we all understand - we are not where we should be as a Country. We have become less when we need to be much more. We must all do better!
… And fast!
And, that is exactly why you must talk to your mirror.
What do we deserve from government? There are 80 days to decide.
What is your mirror telling you?
Kira Gagarin
4:26 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012
I think the problem, or a large chunk of it, is that there are certain people (many!!) who are in the government for way too long. I wish most political posts had maximum terms. 8, 10, even 15 years, fine... But someone as Mayor or Congressman for 30 years is just not good for that jurisdiction.
Ralph
5:35 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012
There you go Kira- Term Limits now! If 2 terms were good enough for G. Washington, it's be good enough for Senators & Congressmen.
While we're at it, make the lawmakers use the same Medicare, Social Security and Health Care we are saddled with- thensee how quickly it gets fixed.
Oh, and let's ban all this pork attached to meaningful bills, rendering them economic time bombs. PACS and Lobbyists need to go away too.
So what do I expect from Government? I expect our lawmakers to spend tax dollars within their means (like I used to tell my kids, the money tree is dead), balance the budget, leave Medicare alone, fix Social Security and get rid of the National debt that is the gorilla on the back of every American. Printing more money won't fix it.
Congress complains about our current situation, but they, (Democrats and Republicans) not us, are the authors of that very situation. They got us here, they have to fix it.
All we get is the blame game, from both sides. If they direct half the energy they expend twisting facts to spice up campaign ads, to meaningful dialogue and compromise - something might actually get done.
I don't think we are asking too much at all. Our government is 'Of the People, By the People, and for the People' - not the other way around.
Our responsibility in this mess is to register to vote, and then use that vote, it is our only voice, our only recourse. If they don't get it right, vote them out until we get people in there who will!
Ralph
5:47 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012
Sorry, should read 'it's good enough for Senators & Congressmen'
groan..
Jim Hatherley
11:13 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012
Kira, thanks for beginning the conversation. I certainly agree that term limits would be helpful, but why do Massacusetts voters continue to re-elect Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, Barney Frank, Ed Markey at als? So much of it involves money and special interest, but all of that could be overcome by the people supporting candidates who were pushing term limits. In the last election Karyn Polito urged term limits and got 43% of the vote.
Kira Gagarin
5:08 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012
I don't think people should have that option. People become attached to candidates and we put term limits in place in order to not give them the option or electing the same person to power 15 times. A new person pushing term limits will never get elected, as we have seen.
Jim Rizoli
8:18 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012
Voting is just half he problem....the other half is all the propaganda presented by the media. We don't ever get the real picture of who is who and what is what.
So we have to settle for what is handed to s and that is usually pretty bad.
The politicians know the voters are dumber than a pair of socks and just continue to play the game. To see how bad it is just look Massachusetts and who are our long term It's
a disgrace and the State is showing the effects of it. Not to mention the effect all this has on all the towns.
The voters in Mass are to blame for the mess we're in, and because of their stupidity in who they vote in they will suffer in the end.
Jim@ccfiile.com
Jim Hatherley
11:13 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012
You know what, Jim, I remember how we used to make fun of Tass, the Communist propaganda arm that would spin details in a 180' direction from what was being reported in the USA. And then there was Bagdhad Bob who was misrepresenting the news even until we could actually was going on in the streets behind him. It was easy to dismiss this nonsense as what happened in Countries that were not free.
More recently, however, I have been wondering how long the major networks have been slanting/delivering/choosing what news to provide, and what to omit. Their reporting tends to differ so significantly from Fox or Drudge that you wonder what we were getting before Fox and the internet. I find this troubling to say the least. Perhaps others have had a similar feeling.
As to the voters in Massachusetts, all you have to do is look at the imbalance between Democrats and Republicans and you know that something is wrong. I captured this in a blog 4-5 weeks back in which I theorized that it must be because the Democrat candidates are always better than the Republicans. Perhaps others see this as true.
Thanks for posting.
Jim Hatherley
11:13 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012
Ralph, thanks for posting into my blog, and I agree with your observations. However, over 50% of the voters are Unenrolled, which pretty much makes them uninvolved, which is why the same Democrat faces get re-elected over and over. Odds are that you a registered Unenerolled voter. How can I reach more of these voters and help persuade them to take more interest/play a larger role in getting the government that we deserve, not the governance they serve up?
Kim Poness
12:11 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012
Jim - I used to enjoy reading and commenting on your blogs, but your insistence on painting unenrolled voters as uninterested has now crossed the line to arrogance. Repeating it (that unenrolled voters are uninvolved), despite evidence to the contrary, solicited by you, does not make it true, no matter how much you want it to be. It's starting to feel like the bullying I see all too often from the conservative side of the aisle.
Mike
11:18 am on Sunday, August 19, 2012
Once again Jim you are making a false assumption that unenrolled voters are uninvolved. Don't you really mean to call out the percentage of people that have not registered to vote? Once could argue that an unenrolled voter may be more active than an enrolled voter, particularly in your example of electing the same people over and over again. That's what enrolled voters do, they vote the party line. Unenrolled voters actually make a choice. Unenrolled voters are also very active in local governments and you keep confusing government and politics. Statemetents about a candidate regardless of the source is a political statement, it's not government.
I would like to see a government separate from politics. The idea that we must constantly elect new management every two or four years infuses politics into governance. You can't find a corporation that would support the CEO or any of the management structure dedicating a 25%of their work time trying to get a better position. Let's go with a single 10 year term. That gives a single administration 10 years to dedicate to improving this country.
I'd like to see more people become involved in government, particularly local government. Join a board or a committee. Run for a local office. Everyone is upset about the school budget increasing year over year but some people have been on that board for 10 years unopposed. Get involved locally and make a change happen.
Jim Hatherley
12:11 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012
Mike, thank you for your comment and you have added some good points. However, I am not confusing unenrolled voters with not registered people. The latter actively choose to be uninvolved for whatever reason - not much citizenry happening there. Unenrolled voters are more problematic. You cn look them like the prototypical iceberg. The part you can see - about 1/7 are actively interested, informed and vote on issues and the best candidate. However, the majority of unenrolled voters are just ambivalent - and this shows up statistically. While unenrolled voters are the majority, their poor showing on election day allows the Democrats to consistently win since their registration is three times the Republicans.
I don't agree with your 10 year term - can you imagine what would happen if Obama had a ten year term? Besides, government is supposed to be by the consent of the governed - We the people should never cede our rights, liberties and responsibilities to government - government will let you down every time. I do not believe that we deserve this.
Your last paragraph highlights an important truth - we need more people to become more involved/accountable at all levels of government; otherwise, we will get years of unopposed or one-party govenance, and we have seen first hand, right here in Massachusetts, how much complacency and corruption that brings. Thanks for the comment.
Ed Bertorelli
11:18 am on Sunday, August 19, 2012
Our system may not be an idealist's dream but it's a whole lot better than what passes for government in many parts of the world- the Arab world generally, much of Africa, sections of Eastern Europe including Russia, sections of South America. The fact that we can have this ' lively' discussion and not face 'repercussions' is something many people take for granted. My particular peeve is that so many government officials including Executive branch members 'retire' to positions where foreign governments pay them to lobby and influence our government- a real hidden source of power for countries that may not have our best interests in mind.
Jim Hatherley
12:11 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012
Ed, thank you so much for adding to the conversation. And, I agree that our political system gets corrupted by former politicians "lobbying" on behalf od special interest groups and foreign countries. To me this is an abuse that we do not deserve and a practice we should end (as Obama promised, then abandoned after the election).
However, while we can say that our political system is better than many parts of the world is setting a very low bar. Do we deserve a low standard, or standards that have even diminished in our lifetimes? Do we deserve the kinds of examples that I cited from our political leaders, or do we deserve leadership and accountability as opposed to partisanship and blaming? That is what the blog is about - the concern we should all have that our Country is in trouble and we need new leaders to get us going in the right direction. Do you agree?
Jim Hatherley
12:38 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012
Kim, Thanks for your note, even if critical. You know from prior responses that I appreciate your comments. This time I am going to disagree with you a bit by saying that even thinking that I am a bully for thinking that so many unenrolled voters are ambivalent ignores that statistical reality that most of them are. How else can you explain the low percentage of voters when over 50% of the registered voters are unenrolled?
I would much rather you comment on what you expect from government and our elected officials. Do you think we deserve bettern than a Vice President suggesting that Republicans are racists just itching to put some people back in chains? Is it OK for the President to infer that Romney was responsible for the death of a woman, or that he had paid no taxes for ten years, or that Republicans want dirty air and dirty water, or that our Government should spend more than a Trillion dollars more than available taxes and other revenues?
And Kim, I am all for engaging more with unenrolled voters, so I hope you forward my blogs to some of your friends and let them have at me. If we are going to get the government - and political officials we deserve - we need to get more people as actively engaged as you.
Are you OK with this?
Jim Rizoli
2:25 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012
The news we get is filtered and we get only half the story if that.
The news networks have the agenda of the owner of the organization. So find out who owns the news station and you will see how filtered the news you are getting.
Corporations are a big part of getting the right news too, since they pay for the advertising that makes the media outlets rich. They will pull advertising dollars from stations that make them look bad. So if there was a politician that exposed some corporation for their evil ways you might no see or hear about it.
So when it comes to politics, social issues, religion whatever...you're getting biased information.
Want to understand whats happening in the Middleast.....go to the Washington Report on Middle Eastern Affairs.
http://www.wrmea.org/
This will set you straight on what's going on.
Very few media outlets can get away with telling the truth these days.
The foxes have taken over the hen house in more ways than one.
Jim@ccfiil.com
Mike
7:19 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012
Jim - I think a 10 year term would bring more people to the process. Maybe 1o years of Obama is what people need to get involved....assuming there's anything left to get involved in.
Great column, thanks for writing. I think sometimes we forget you're a Republican, particularly when you get bashed for not being neutral. :)
Jim Hatherley
8:06 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012
Mike, thanks for the kind words. Ten years will not work and I will give you an example that many Republicans may find even a little sacreligious. While Ronald Reagan was the finest President of my lifetime. he was limping to the finish line by the time he was nearly done. We need a constant infusion of good, new ideas that may not be as easily accomplished by such a lengthy term. Bottom line - I think the length of the terms are good, but the people who have the jobs in need of improvement ... we deserve better. In fact, we better have better fast or it won't make a difference.
Jim Rizoli
8:06 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012
I think we deserve politicians that are honest about their past. Especially about their party affiliation.
Example.....Elizabeth Warren was a registered Republican from 1991-96 so what happened? She wouldn't respond to the question if she voted for Ronald Regan in 1980, and 84, or detail any of her voting history....hmmmmm!
Source....Boston Globe this Sunday p.a11
That kinda bothers me......why the evasiveness?
Now shes a Dem.....wow!
All her Cult Dem friends might have a heart attack if they knew that one....LOL
She's not an honest person, as she has shown by other things she's done in her past life.
Jim@ccfiile.com
Jim Hatherley
9:12 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012
Jim, I certainly agree with you about Warren - her lack of integrity on the affirmative action is a deal breaker, not to mention she believes that Senator should be her entry level elected position. I am thinking that enough Democrats believe this as well which is why Brown will win.
Look at it this way - if a Republican as moderate and non partisan as Scott Brown cannot beat this kind of a Democrat, no Republican is going to win in this State. What would that say?
Jim Rizoli
9:36 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012
Jim H...I agree. If Scott Brown can't beat a women who has lied her way into politics then they will get what they deserve. She is an opportunist who looks out for herself. It doesn't seem like she is interested in the regular Joe.
At least Scott Brown is above board, and you know where he stands.
Jim@ccfiile.com
Rich A
7:36 pm on Monday, August 20, 2012
Is this an honest question or just a place to discuss Republican talking points? Jim, I appreciate that you are a committed Republican, and so you are biased about the people you would like to see elected. But if you want to ask this question honestly, then you need some objectivity. In the Presidential race, neither side has presented itself well. Lies, slander, and finger-pointing have been the M.O. for a while now (and, sadly, you are promoting one side's spin in your list of bullet points). As a moderate, I watch Obama and Romney act they way they do (and Biden...it was only a matter of time, I suppose), and I look at our gridlocked Congress with an approval rating of 10%, and I feel disheartened by pretty much all of them. I was as disgusted by Todd Akin's comments as I was by Joe Biden's, and neither should be let off the hook. I credit Scott Brown for calling on Todd Akin to step down; it's good to see there's at least one member of Congress with the integrity to not support his or her party in mindless lock-step.
I agree we need term limits in Congress. We need them badly. We also need politicians who don't give in to the fringe voters and the talking heads. We need leaders who actually want to do the job they were elected to do instead of grandstand and blame the other side.
If we continue to elect the same childish, argumentative people then you're right, we get what we deserve.
Jim Hatherley
8:21 pm on Monday, August 20, 2012
Rich, thanks for your note. I have already admitted that I write from a Republcan perspective and invited comments from the other side to make my point - that America is not where we should be.
In reading your comment regarding what we deserve, I can predict with some level of confidence what you are going to do. Perhaps other readers will read your observations and come to a similar conclusion - I hope so.
But here's the thing. We deserve a LEADER. The incumbent has divided America more deeply than ever before - at least in my lifetine icnluding the Nixon years. Class warfare does not cut it. Blaming your predecessor is so below the office it is embarrassing. Saying that small business people do not build their businesses is insulting. Playing to "victim's groups" is just plain pandering. We deserve better and we need it now. Don't you agree (despite by Reupublican-ness)?
Rich A
1:49 pm on Tuesday, August 21, 2012
Jim:
I'll certainly agree that we need better leaders and that this country is headed in the wrong direction. It's pretty clear that we disagree *why* this is the case. I'm not surprised to see you, as a committed Republican, placing the blame entirely on Obama and Democrats - just as I would not be surprised to see a committed Democrat placing the blame entirely on the GOP.
Bottom line: if we want leaders with integrity and who are committed to actually doing their job FOR the American people, then we need to be less invested in "red vs. blue". We need to look at our leaders dispassionately and objectively, not through red or blue colored glasses.
The problem with the Presidential election is that we're not getting a quality candidate from either side. (As an aside, I'm fascinated that you claim to know how I'm going to vote in November - could you fill me in, since right now I have no idea?)
Concerned Citizen
8:45 am on Tuesday, August 21, 2012
Jim,
I think "We the People" deserve to feel a part of our government. Your bullet point about being "sliced and diced" as Americans rings true to me. I have never felt more alienated from my government, as President Obama seeks to divide us as a nation. He continuously scolds the successful members of our society by putting down capitalism and promoting an European-style America, even as Europe is awash in decay.
Obama's vision for America is more dependence on government, not less. As an example, Obama recently released a cartoon ad entitled "The Life of Julia," in which the viewer watches Julia, via a slide show, go from cradle-to-grave aided by government programs. Personally, I don't want Julia's America. I want an America built on the foundation of self-reliance with help from the government only when absolutely necessary.
To answer your question, if we re-elect President Obama, we "will" get the government we deserve...the United States of Europe.
Jim Hatherley
9:53 am on Tuesday, August 21, 2012
Thanks for your comment, Concerned Citizen, and you know that I certainly agree with you. A comment in an article yesterday indicated that in the Democrat/Obama view of the world, the next generation of women will be "married to the government," suggesting that "Men need not apply." We are already seeing how poorly this works with the segment of our society that has been depending on governmental free stuff over the past 50 years.
And there is so much more. Do we trust our Presidents? Let me not just make this an Obama thing because he is not the only President that is not trusted. Bush certainly had his dissenters, particularly at the end, and Clinton clearly abused his Presidency, and the office, with his shameful acts.
We are so long overdue having a President who is admired by Americans, not just liberals or conservatives, and respected around the World. Sad to say that four more years of Obama will only yield further to a deeper degradation of out Nation.
We need to admit that America is on the wrong track. We the people must resolve that our need for improvement is immediate and acute, and relying on what we have in the White House today will only push us further and faster away from where we need to be.
By the way, aren't we long past the time when the "hyphenated-America" is useful, if it ever was? When do people stop believing they are "special" or "victims" and resume being just good old Americans? We deserve this!
Will Oliveira
11:17 am on Tuesday, August 21, 2012
So many false analogies, so little time.
The modern GOP platform of anti-women's rights, anti-immigrant, anti-New Deal, anti-Great Society and anti-government notions, all wrapped in a hysterical "sky-is-falling" panic is a mindset that only the most cynical can embrace.
The GOP offers NO solutions to deficit reduction. In fact, Paul Ryan (who voted to increase annual deficits exponentially) has a budget out that further INCREASES the deficit while cutting taxes for the Mitt Romney's of the world and reducing the benefits of the 99% who depend on them. Cynically, baby boomers and older are ok under the Ryan plan, all the other generations can pound sand.
Despite a complete unwillingness to compromise in a time of national distress and a stated objective of defeating the POTUS from Day One in office, President Obama has helped stabilize the banking industry, overseen three years of positive GDP growth after the worst economic collapse since the Great Depression, added 4 million jobs since the recession ended in early 2009, saved the American auto industry, implemented new rules for Wall Street to avoid further catastrophe, enacted major health care reform, killed America's enemy number one since 9/11, signed missile treaties with Russia, assisted in toppling Arab dictators without major US intervention, boosted green energy technology, incresd oil and gas pdctn, increased college grants and student loans and has done more in his first four years of any POTUS since LBJ.
Ralph
9:07 pm on Tuesday, August 21, 2012
@ Will O "added 4 million jobs since the recession ended in early 2009" Seriously? The Recession ended in early 2009? That statement isn't worth the paper it's not written on. Did you check the unemployment statistics from the US Dept of Labor from 2009 to 2012?. Unemployment was at 8.2% when the president was sworn in Feb 2009, rose to 10% in Oct 2009, and hovered in the mid 9% range all of 2010, all that time Democrats had the majority in the House and Senate. Unemployment didn't dip below 8.5% until January of this year when it fell to oh... 8.3%, where it stands now.
So the president's policy may have 'added' 4 million jobs since 2009, but how many jobs were lost to keep the unemployment rate so high over that time period? Those statistics don't lie, you can look them up yourself.
You drank the cool aid Will, those 4 million are just another case of the facts being twisted- which BOTH sides do so well.
Jim Hatherley
12:05 pm on Tuesday, August 21, 2012
Thanks, Will, so I am deducing that you believe that America hs the government we deserve right now.
Of course, a lot of people, me among them, suspect that you are still drinking the Kool-aid and haven't got to the castor oil yet. While Republicans would not be characterized as pro-New Deal or Great Society fans due to their unsustainable and debt producing costs, Republicans are hardly anti-women's right or anti-immigrant. C'mon, you can do better than that.
And, if you could spare a few moments to listen to Mitt Romney in his town meetings, he discusses his plan for debt/deficit reduction. It begins with drilling/use of all domestic energy sources, assisting small business development, eliminating Obamacare and other outdated programs, reducing the size of the Federal bureaucracy, reducing taxes AND expanding the economy.
And the 4M job creation is an embarrassing farce you are believing. Every week over 360,000 people file unemployment claims; 3.6M have been placed on SS Disability programs, and in a good month the economy will produce <150,000 jobs. The math just doesn't work.
But here's the deal. If Obama's accomplishments are as grand as you portray, why does't he just run on this record of achievement. Surely there must be a majority of people who see it the way you do. And, if leading from behind is the new normal, you have got your guy.
Does a diminished President diminish all Americans? For you, sadly, apparently not. All the best.
Jim Hatherley
2:17 pm on Tuesday, August 21, 2012
@Rich A 1:49 ... Thanks again, Rich ... and it's not that I have a crystal ball, but the final paragraph of your prior note strongly suggests that the current President is not a leader but a blamer, something you believe we do not deserve, and I agree.
But you raise other issues to expand the discussion, so thank you for that. What stands out about Romney is that his experience has been working with a House and Senate that is over 85% on the other side ... and succeeding. Isn't this what we need - someone whose experience has proven that listening is usually a more endearing skill than demagoguing? And, isn't his experience to look dispassionately at the data and the facts before making decisions vs. wondering which victim group will be most offended?
I do not believe that we need a President who will continue to slice, dice, separate, compartmentalize, divide and sub-divide us into hyphenated groups. It's time to be Americans again, and this is going to require a change we deserve. Don't you think?
Linda Worthy
8:25 am on Wednesday, August 22, 2012
The leadership we deserve:
Paul Ryan:
** Voted for TARP when Bush proposed it
** Opposed Obama stimulus plan then sought & received $20 million for a Wisconsin green company writing that it would create jobs.
** Refused to have his tax plan scored by the CBO
** has contributed a 1% bump in polls -- underperforming Palin
** Voted or automotive bailout
** Has a 20% tax policy
** Was opposed to abortion in cases of rape before Todd Akin’s comments forced him to change his position.
Jim Hatherley
9:58 am on Wednesday, August 22, 2012
Linda, thanks for this. I am sensing that you believe that the government we've got is the government we deserve. Is that a fair deduction, or does your note suggest that you just are not impressed by Paul Ryan (good job in explaining why not, by the way)?
Or that you are more impressed by and are a bigger fan of Sarah Palin?
I might note that TARP, the "Stimulus", the auto bailout, green enrgy investments et als. have pretty much failed We the people - no matter which side you are on.
Will Oliveira
11:04 am on Wednesday, August 22, 2012
@Ralph, Thank you for agreeing that the President's policies have added 4 million jobs since the recession ended. It took you awhile, but you got there.
@Jim, Are you leading the Kool-Aid brigade?. You say the GOP isn't anti-women or anti-immigrant rights but the facts (Republican bills in Congress and states) say otherwise. When it comes to bills in Congress to give women equal pay for equal work, which party was against it? Which party is against the DREAM Act? Which party is drafting language in their platform right now that makes abortion illegal IN ALL CASES?
And yes, I have listened to Mitt Romney. He speaks in broad platitudes, never defining what his policies actually are. Just like his taxes, we simply have to trust him on all those pesky details.
President Obama is running in his accomplishments mentioned above. The only folks who keep saying he isn't are the same people who call him a messiah and repeatedly say he hasn't ever accomplished one thing in his life.
What I find so incredibly dishearteneing is that instead of helping the country, the Republicans have stood in the way of every proposal in an effort to defeat the President, the country be damned. As the debt debate clearly showed, Republicans are willing to hurt the country in order to gain political power. And by the way, there is no such bill or law that exists called "Obamacare." It is the Affordable Care Act. Getting basic facts correct is key to a good argument.
Ralph
10:43 am on Thursday, August 23, 2012
8:25 am on Thursday, August 23, 2012
My goodness Will, if you aren't a press secretary for someone you should be. You masterfully took a portion of my post, out of context, and twisted the meaning of the whole post to fit your premise. Amazing. Did you even read my post? I typed the word 'added' in quotes, to signify it wasn't my opinion. Perhaps I should have stated 'alleged' 4 million jobs.
So, I have 3 questions for you. Let's see if you can answer them directly without twisting the facts.
1. Yes or No- Do you truly believe that the 'recession ended in early 2009' (your words in quotes) in view of the unemployment statistics on record from May 2009 to Feb 2011 which shows between 9 and of 10% unemployment for that time period?
2. Can you explain how the president allegedly 'added' (your words in quotes) 4 million jobs after the 'recession ended in early 2009' (again note the quotes) if the unemployment rate remained the same after 3.5 years of his administration (8.3% in Feb 2009 and 8.3% in July 2012)? Please help me with that, I'm under the impression that if you add jobs the unemployment rate would go down.
3. If I find you a job as a press secretary (Democrat or Republican, as you are a master of the spin) can I have a 10% finders fee?
Ralph
6:24 am on Friday, August 24, 2012
@ Will 'Getting basic facts correct is key to a good argument.'
You seem to have gone against your own statement re: unemployment and the actual end of the recession- can you address my 3 questions? Or is it that you just can't let the 'facts' get in the way of a good post?
Jim Hatherley
11:59 am on Wednesday, August 22, 2012
Will, thank you for your very spirtied response, good job defending the kind of government you feel you deserve.
At the same time I could not help but be reminded of that Ronald Reagan moment when he turned to Jimmy Carter and simply said, "There you go again."
I think that you may be suffering from what ails Obama - always looking for someone else to blame, but not the same mirror I asked you to talk to. Obama had his 100% way his first 2 years, got everything he wanted except Cap and Trade (which was even too much for Pelosi), and never spoke to Republican leaders. When the people had a chance to evaluate his first two years they repudiated Obama in record numbers, including the election of Scott Brown.
Two questions for my readers while you sit in front of your mirrors: 1. Are you better off now that you were 4 years ago? 2. WIll you be even worse off in four years if Obama gets elected?
This election is for the future of America. Obama can, and should be replaced. America cannot.
David Nolta
2:14 am on Thursday, August 23, 2012
1) I am better off, and the country is considerably better off, than in 2008.
2) I hope and expect that we will all be better off in four years if President Obama is reelected.
Well you asked!
Compare the stock market, the unemployment figures, national confidence, our prestige among the other nations of the world, American war casualty figures, etc., etc., to 2008. President Obama deserves a lot of the credit, and so do the American people, who do indeed wake up every day and replace America with a smarter and fairer and better version of itself!
Will Oliveira
12:31 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012
Jim, why is it so hard to admit the President has gotten things right, in addition to wrong? To say the President had his way 100% of the time for two years ignores significant Senate filibusters. That statement also tries to amplify two years as a substantial time period, ignoring the SIX years of complete Republican control of the government from 2000-2006. Ironically, the same period of easy credit, artifically low interest rates, unregulated Wall Street actvities and the housing bubble. The positive GDP numbers between 2003 and 2007 are dependent on housing and it can be argued that we have actually been in a bear market since the technology crash of March 2000, with only a mirage of prosperity based on construction jobs, inflated housing prices and consumer spending of housing debt during those 60 months.
There YOU go again with another false analogy. Trying to compare a mid-term election to a Presidential election? President Obama received 8 million+ more votes in his election than all of the Republican votes combined in the record turnout mid term of 2010, inflamed by angry "Tea Party" Republicans. Really just a re-branding campaign by Dick Armey and other establishment conservatives who realize W destroyed their brand imo.
Are we better off today than in the fall of 2008 when the markets were crashing, jobs were being lost at half a million a month or more and all the EXPERTS on Wall Street needed a bailout? Yes
Worse off in four if the POTUS is relected? No
Jim Hatherley
2:22 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012
Thanks again, Will. You are a very positive acolyte for Obama.
Nevertheless, this President has got zero right. He has bullied America, aided by the House/Senate, and abetted by the media to increase the debt by more than $1Trillion each year, and only increasing in years to come. He lied about the cost of his "Obamacare" (which is the cognate of the so-called "Bush tax cuts"), bribed Senators to vote for his nonsense at taxpayer expense, lied that people can keep their doctors etc. In my memory, Nixon included, I cannot recall a President who is such a seriel misrepresenter of truth.
The 2010 elections are a fact. You can call out the so-called "Tea Party", aren't they just Americans who believe the Country is headed down the wrong track? Isn't this a good thing?
I certainly am not a fan of the housing crash and subsequent bailouts. I don't think anyone is, but yet the Democrats were threatening banks who did not loan money to people they knew would never be able to repay. When government steps in and picks winner/losers trouble is sure to follow, which it has.
I get that you are a committed Democrat. But if Obama had gotten things so right, why the need to spend so much trying to convince people he has? This is why we have elections. The people will speak. In the end we get the government we deserve - the land of the free, or the land of the free stuff. God help us!
Concerned Citizen
8:25 am on Thursday, August 23, 2012
Will O,
If we have to split hairs, Obamacare is actually the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA), and it will be the ruin of our health care system, which is the best in the world. Through high taxes and extensive regulation and mandatory contractual terms, PPACA will drive private insurance companies out of business, and we will eventually end up with a single-payer system. With PPACA, Americans can expect rationing of health care in the very near future. There already is a shortage of doctors in certain areas of the US, and PPACA will make that worse. The cost is going to be astronomical. President Obama has taken $716 Billion out of Medicare to serve as a fund for PPACA. In the event that a loved one of mine has a serious illness, I do not want PPACA aka Obamacare.
As for green energy and the Obama administration, Solyndra cost Americans over $500 Million when it went bankrupt on President Obama's watch. In addition, Cash for Clunkers destroyed over 700,000 used cars, many of which just needed new brakes, etc. The program severely reduced the number of used cars available for middle-class families, especially young drivers. And the carbon footprint needed to fabricate a new car verses the environmental impact of an older model car is beyond ridiculous.
President Obama is against the Keystone Pipeline, which Mitt Romney and Scott Brown support. It is a great solution for our energy needs, plus it would create many good paying jobs. Just the facts...
Linda Worthy
8:25 am on Thursday, August 23, 2012
It’s not just Todd Aiken.
Rick Santorum suggested doctors who perform abortions on women who become pregnant from an attack should be thrown in jail. Santorum said women should raise the child born of rape and make the “best of a bad situation.” Is that the government you deserve?
Republican state rep Pete DeGeaaf of Kansas suggested women should plan ahead for rape the way he keeps a spare tire.
It’s not just Todd Aiken.
Two hundred Republican members of Congress joined Paul Ryan and Aiken in cosponsoring a bill restricting the exception for federally funded abortions to ‘an act of forcible rape or, if a minor, an act of incest.”
Forcible rape? FORCIBLE? Does Paul Ryan think there is UN-forcible RAPE?
It’s not just Todd Aiken.
The Human Rights plank of the Republican Party Platform, which will become the Romney / Ryan platform when they are nominated, does not support abortion in cases of rape, incest or to save the life of the mother.
The outrage about Todd Aiken’s comments is not just about his astounding stupidity; it’s about the Republican party policy that his statement represents.
Santorum, Bachmann, Gingrich, and Perry have all said they seek to prohibit all abortions regardless of circumstances. Romney said he would defend a woman’s right to choose before he said he was against a woman’s right to choose.
Republicans condemn Aiken's remarks because they fear they might lose a Senate seat.
It’s not just Todd Aiken.
Jim Hatherley
9:35 am on Thursday, August 23, 2012
Linda, thanks for your comment, which is connected to another string to which I have already responded.
I disagree with your assessment that this is not just about Rep Akins. Actually it is as insulting to me and most Republicans as it would be for you to hear that some misguided remarks of an under-known Democrat represented the philosophy of the entire Democrat Party. C'mon, stupid is stupid. Let's get over that.
All the Republicans you cited who ran for President were rejected by Republicans because their positions were too extreme, or that social issues, while significant, are secondary to the more primary economic issues. Romney clearly hit a more moderate tone and that should be seen as a positive.
But this is where we are today - both sides shouting at each other when we should be working with each other. We deserve a government that gives us less noise and more thought - which means that the extremists on both ends of the political spectrum need to focus more on what is truly important and what is not.
Thanks again, and all the best.
Concerned Citizen
10:43 am on Thursday, August 23, 2012
Will O,
I am against the DREAM Act and agree with The Heritage Foundation's position: "The DREAM Act encourages people to ignore our borders, undermines our law enforcement across the country, and makes fools of law abiding immigrants who play by the rules." www.askheritage.org/whats-the-real-goal-of-the-dream-act/
As for President Obama and Russia, Paul Ryan says, "He (President Obama) is outsourcing our foreign policy decision-making to the UN, so that countries like Russia can exercise their veto power over us." It makes us look weak and vulnerable to our allies and the world. Just a couple more facts...
Jim Hatherley
11:09 am on Thursday, August 23, 2012
Thanks for expanding this discussion, Concerned Citizen. I had not thought of the UN angle and that is a very good point ... "leading from behind", a new concept in the American Presidency. Not a positive.
However, I'd like to connect the Dream Act with Will's (and other's) comments regarding to Rep Akins. If rape is rape as we would all agree, and if nothing about that is ambiguous; then what part of illegal immigrant is similarly ambiguous? The same people who see "white" on the rape piece are the same people who see "gray" on the illegal immigration piece. But then again, it's always good to have as many things both ways as possible.
Jim Hatherley
11:09 am on Thursday, August 23, 2012
Hey David, I just saw your note that was embedded within the posts, making this one similarly out of order. Yes, I did ask those questions, and thank you, you answered them.
Not surprisingly I think your reasons are a bit misguided. Yes the stock market is higher. However, casualties in Obama's "good war" (gasp) in Afghanistan are now over 2000 Americans, over 100 of which have occurred in the last two years. America more admired abroad? Doubt it. While I agree that the US image suffered by the end of Bush's term, giving rise to the hope of Obama in 2009. This has pretty well dissipated over time as the World looks at a leaderless America and asks us(for better or worse) to be more - certainly our traditional Allies are scratching their heads.
But - credit where it's due - I asked the questions and you have answered that you believe that under Obama we have the government we deserve. This is why we have elections. All the best.
Jim Hatherley
11:17 am on Thursday, August 23, 2012
Excuse me ... using the word "casualties" was incorrect - the proper word is fatalities and more than 1000 fatalities have occurred in the past two years.
David Nolta
11:44 am on Thursday, August 23, 2012
Thanks Jim. I was funning a bit of course. And it's no surprise that I'm against the wars in the Middle East. But Obama's responsibility for Afghanistan, even now (NOBODY would say he was in any way responsible for our entering into them) , would be a very complicated thing to disentangle. As far as the rest of the world, my impression is that the President is still extremely popular abroad--certainly more popular than Mitt Romney in England!! You have a great day, too.
Linda Worthy
5:38 pm on Thursday, August 23, 2012
Mr. Hatherley conveniently ignores that which he can not explain away. He looks the other way on the 200 Republican members of Congress who joined Paul Ryan and Todd Aiken in cosponsoring a bill restricting the exception for federally funded abortions to ‘an act of forcible rape or, if a minor, an act of incest.” Paul Ryan is not an under-known Republican and he does represent the philosophy of his party.
Mr. Hatherley dismisses four other leaders of his party and ignores their statements simply because they lost in the primaries. They didn't go away, Mr. Hatherley, they're still working to shape your party.
Mr. Hatherley ignores the content of the The Human Rights plank of the Republican Party Platform to simply disagree that it's not just Todd Aiken.
And when people disagree with Mr. Hatherley he says they are shouting while he fails to hold himself accountable for his shouting.
Yes, it's not just Todd Aiken...
Jim Hatherley
10:38 pm on Thursday, August 23, 2012
Linda, nice try, but I will not be baited into a stupid discourse that will demean myself as much as you discredit yourself.
All of this stems from another string of notes that is completely reflective of what we are seeing in the broader environment. This election is not about Akins or abortion, it is about the economy and jobs and the future of the Country. This is a sideshow meant to somehow create a false sense of ill will toward a candidate, and sidetrack the people away from Obama and nhis record.
I get it. And I believe a lot of people get it. This election is not about Akin. It's not about the equally stupid - but even more insidious Joe Biden. This election is all about Obama, for better or for worse.
So, what do we deserve? We deserve a Leader who does not inspire such division; we deserve someone who can pull us together, reduce the noise, increase the thought, and focus on the main thing.
Thanks for giving me the oppportunity to rationally explaining to my readers the difference beteen your position and mine.
David Nolta
10:56 pm on Thursday, August 23, 2012
It's like that Cole Porter song: "I say 'Akin', and you say 'Biden'". But I don't think Biden is insidious! And I think Linda is right to point out that Akin is part of a much larger Republican movement which has some serious flaws when it comes to the treatment of women. And Obama has a great record--he reminds me of FDR in so many good ways, though he's not as forceful. And every election is always about everything, not just one thing, and not just one person. Now people can see how I differ from everybody else, too. Sorry Jim, I'm in a very talkative mood today for some reason.
Jim Hatherley
9:05 am on Friday, August 24, 2012
David, good morning and thanks. Chatty is good. But let me provide a little morning gruel and some food for thought.
Biden is insidious because his racist remarks were planned - he read them from the teleprompter. Every person should feel insulted by such insensitivity. Can you imagine the false outrage had a Republican claimed that Dems provided welfare to keep minorities chained to the gov't on a plantation of dependency? Yikes! How dumb.
As to the women's issues thing, more hypocrisy. Look at the Dept of Homeland Security scandal underway now. Or how about the WH record for pay differential between men/women that was revealed a few months ago. Providing free abortions does not make you a champion of all women ... do all women seek free abortions? Are abortions even a good thing? And championing women does not mean giving free birth control - that's just more taxpayer-paid free stuff.
I understand that you like Obama and that many people do. But he has divided America at a time when we need a leader. This is why he must be replaced because his Presidency would only lead to more hyphenation and discord and even more massive debt in a second term. We cannot afford this.
People forget that FDR as "saved" by WWll. Nobody wants that kind of salvation again. Enjoy the day.
David Nolta
10:10 am on Friday, August 24, 2012
Jim, all else aside, FDR was not "saved" by World War II--and I suspect you know perfectly well how superficial and absurd a calumny that is. His human conscience and his brilliant political mind WERE factors in his ability to save the lives of millions of Americans living below the poverty line--dying below that line, to be more accurate (a credible statistic being, for example, that a quarter of the country's retired people--retired, as in they worked all their lives--were starving. That's one out of four. The equivalent of one grandparent from every family...), and he certainly saved the country in its worst economic crisis, and saved its infrastructure, too. And he did these things before the war, and he did them because he was willing to turn his back on that tradition among wealthy people to believe that capitalism is the excuse for grabbing and holding onto as much of the public's resources as you can, any way you can, with as little taxation as possible. And Obama split the country?? Where were you during the last three presidential elections? The country was split--and to a large extent, deliberately split, by explicitly uncompromising conservative groups--long before President Obama took office.
What do we deserve from government? People who are willing to work together for the common (as in EVERYBODY'S) good!
Linda Worthy
9:05 am on Friday, August 24, 2012
No one can bait you into anything; it’s your choice to tap the keyboard.
A woman’s control over the own body is not a ‘stupid discourse’ as your Limbaugh-esque response would have one believe.
As much as you slam your fist on the table and insist on being the one to define what this election is about, you leave out two important words -- ‘for me’. You can shout all you want that is election is about whatever you want but you don’t get to control what this election is about -- for me.
It's not t just Aiken.
It’s the policy of the Republican party to control a woman’s right to choose driven by the extremists of Santorum, Bachman, Perry, and Gingrich.
A potential vice president who thinks that rape should be defined as ‘forcible’ is not someone who can ‘pull us together’.
A political party that refuses to allow for abortion in the case of rape, incest or to save the life of the mother is not going to ‘increase thought’. The Republican party is likely to tear itself part in Tampa not over an economic policy but over the abortion plank in the party platform.
The only time you’ll think we’re ‘together’ is when you and your male friends have control of women’s reproductive rights.
I’ll decide what this election is about for me -- even if that doesn’t meet with your approval.
And Mr. Hatherly, don't take the bait.
Jim Hatherley
11:07 am on Friday, August 24, 2012
David, I must credit you once again because when I see a word like "columny" in a blog post I got excited enough to google it to see what the word means, but there is no definition, so my readers are about to get a Bill O'Reilly lesson from you.
Selective memory is what we are talking about, however. Yes, under FDR (and primarily Eleanor if my recall of history remains keen), the SS system was delivered. However, under FDR the unemployment rate did not drop below 12.5% until the war, and his Secretary of the Treasury, Morganthau, was widely quoted that they could not spend their way out of the depression - just spend money.
Let's not forget the FDR tried to reconfigure the SOTUS to get his way, and even penned a second bill of rights that would even make Obama blush in envy.
So, was FDR "saved" by WWll? Well, we know that History is written by the winners and the very positive perception of FDR was created largely as a result of the war. Frankly, it has only been in the past 3 years that the other side of the story has made it into print.
Thanks again for posting the word of the ... year. Great job.
Kim Poness
1:57 pm on Friday, August 24, 2012
@Jim - I don't even want to get into this debate, so I'll just say one tiny thing - "calumny" is absolutely a word. I think you may have misspelled it.
Jim Hatherley
11:11 am on Friday, August 24, 2012
David, and by the way, I definitely agree with final sentence of you post as to what America deserves. This is actually why I have been so positive about Romney (and why Romney was so rudely treated by his opponents and Rush Limbaugh). Romney's experience in MA made him understand that he needed to work with Democrats to get anything done. This is different from people - both parties - who simply want to slam the doors on the other side and jam what they want down everyone's throats. As we have seen in the last 4 years, this just does not work.
David Nolta
11:39 am on Friday, August 24, 2012
Jim thanks for responding, and I must confess I have no idea at all what you mean by the Bill O'Reilly reference--honestly! So if you have a second, educate me on that. I mean I know who he is, but the lesson part I really don't know.
As for FDR--his bill of rights is beautiful, and his and Eleanor's Four Freedoms are a great achievement of the 20th Century, and an ideal, even if we continue to fall short of them. As for the positive perception of FDR--it clearly existed long before the war, as by then he'd already been elected three times.
I am sincerely glad we agree about what we deserve from government, and it doesn't seem a cause of strife at all if we disagree on who is best able to satisfy that goal.
Ralph
2:32 pm on Friday, August 24, 2012
@david 'What do we deserve from government? People who are willing to work together for the common (as in EVERYBODY'S) good!'
Exactly David- The GOP and Dems have become so polarized in policy and direction, it's hard to imagine anything getting done, hence the low approval rating for congress.
Honestly, cutting through the spin, half truths and distortions from both sides is frustrating and tiresome.
I can tell you this, I am voting my conscience - and the person, not the party line. I've had it with the blame games, generalizations, and particularly the 3rd party ads.
Both sides have to get down to it, and get it done. Enough is enough.
David Nolta
4:26 pm on Friday, August 24, 2012
Ralph--Well put! And we basically agree!!
Jim Hatherley
1:57 pm on Friday, August 24, 2012
David, the O'Reilly reference is to his end of show "word of the day." So, columny ...
Jim Hatherley
2:10 pm on Friday, August 24, 2012
David, never mind ... Kim has redirected me to the correct spelling (my error, not yours). Of course, this just makes my earlier response altogether too polite. You can get another chance at me with a new blog just released - should be right up your alley.
Joe Rizoli
10:33 pm on Friday, August 24, 2012
Jim you haven't posted one of my post. Maybe you should run for president. You ask for opinions and you stop people's opinions that you don't particularily like. You do what the Demorats do to me. How can anyone take you seriously?
Joe Rizoli
Jim Hatherley
7:29 am on Saturday, August 25, 2012
Jim, forgive me please, but I do not know of what you speak. I have no control of what is posted, but the Administrator sees every blog, pends them until he approves them. Perhaps your note - and this one - will lead to learning where yours went.
Sadly, and this has happened to me, and others, a few times - I have posted a note only to find it headed for cyberspace and never to be seen again,
Bottom line - I am sorry, Jim, but I have no explanation.