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POLL: Should Legal Proof of Residence be Required to Register a Car?

After the Supreme Court struck down most of Arizona's anti-immigration law, Gov. Deval Patrick is looking closely at the wording in a new budget provision.

Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick recently approved the majority of the 2013 state budget, however there were a few parts that he chose to veto or amend. One of them was wording that would require a proof of legal residence for anyone looking to register a car.

"Patrick did not veto the provision outright, but instead asked lawmakers to consider an amended version. While the bulk of the revised language in the amendment was the same, a key change would remove the phrase 'proof of legal residence' and replace it with 'proof of residence in the commonwealth,'" an article on boston.com said.

According to the article, Patrick said he would not go along with efforts to compel state authorities to enforce U.S. immigration laws .

"The recent ruling by the United States Supreme Court, striking down most of Arizona's anti-immigrant law, underscores the importance of states treading lightly in this federal space," the governor wrote in a letter to lawmakers.

The legislation that led to this being included in the budget was presented to the House and Senate in September.

, the legislation is intended to address, "to the extent possible, those issues under the control of the commonwealth. Absent a comprehensive federal solution to legal and illegal immigration, the commonwealth should act to protect its interests, and the interests of, and impacts upon, its residents."

What do you think about the change in wording? Do you think legal residence is important for registration?

Dave Lenane July 20, 2012 at 12:42 AM
Simply put you should have to be a resident in order to drive. If I move to North Carolina, I would have to get a new license because I am a resident. That's the law. In my opinion where illegal immigration is concerned this should be strictly enforced. The fact that people at the Registry are selling licenses, should be met with the most severe punishment! Jail Time!
David Nolta July 20, 2012 at 01:00 AM
Well, I'm not sure about that. Huge numbers of people visit this country and rent cars and even buy cars, and drive around, and obey the laws. To get a license in this country, I think you should have to prove that you are a legal citizen of this country, or a registered non-citizen. But to drive? That's a bit extreme--and Americans don't do that when they drive abroad. Nor do civilized countries expect you to be a resident before you drive a car. I agree that you should be able to show that you HAVE a license, but to prove that you live in the state? Never gonna happen. Lots of people live in one state and work in another. And when you move--for example to The Commonwealth--you have a long period, up to a year, as I recall from my move here, to switch your license. And no, this doesn't mean that I am in favor of illegal immigration (experience teaches me to add that proviso).
David Nolta July 20, 2012 at 01:02 AM
Amen, Myd.
Jim Rizoli July 20, 2012 at 01:48 AM
David....I thought it was 30 days to change over a license. Whatever it is you have to change it over at some point. In regards to out of country people they can drive on a universal license or whatever it is called but it's not forever. It's probably as long as their Visa. That's what happens to a lot of them when they get arrested, their temporary universal license has expired. Jim@ccfiile.com
Jim Rizoli July 20, 2012 at 01:54 AM
Since some here are having a hard time with valid numbers, It is now a little late to validate them. How do you validate ghost people who move around from town to town at a whim? Most of them are gone now. We'd be lucky if there are 5k here now. The past is the past, one thing is for sure, there was a whole boat load of illegals here at some point 5 years ago. Jim@ccfiile.com
Joe Rizoli July 20, 2012 at 06:00 AM
Myd, multiple news articles have talked about the Brazilian numbers, the Boston Globe, the MWDN, the Patch and we constantly refer to those numbers. The point is really not the numbers but the fact that most of those numbers wherever that may be, show that the Brazilians are ILLEGAL. They Brazilians don't care, they brag about it. They know nothing will happen to them because they are protected by all sorts of religious organizations, politicians, Selectmen, Police agencies, you name it. The Rizoli's have become the people that say the "Emperor has no clothes". Some with honor and common sense have seen what we have been saying since 2003. Some, as usual, have not, because they are the problem. We have certainly educated the public on this matter. It was at least a few years until the Boston Globe caught on to what we had been saying. The MWDN finally caught on. They ALL balked when we mentioned back years ago the Illegals coming through Mexico had to pay $10,000 to "coyotes". We were laughed at. But we were proved right. Why do you think the Brazilians don't want us on their radio programs? We've exposed their dirty deeds. Joe Rizoli
Dave Lenane July 20, 2012 at 09:03 AM
Dave just to clarify what I meant.....Of couse people visiting our country should be able to drive! But to rent a car you still need to show a license from your home country/state. But to buy or register a car you should have to prove residence in the State you are buying it in. It's not like you or I can cross the border into New Hampshire and buy a car to avoid paying sales tax. It was late and I was really tired last night! I should have made my point better....or I should have just gone to bed! At least my point about Registry personel selling licenses was on point I think? LOL
The Troll of Northborough July 20, 2012 at 12:45 PM
when you move from one state to another, you have 30 days to re-register your auto and get a new license in the state of residence, not one year.
Mark Cain July 20, 2012 at 03:41 PM
The illegal Brazilians laugh their asses of at the cops in my neighborhood. As soon as the cops leave a loud party the give the finger and laugh. I see it all the time
David Nolta July 20, 2012 at 03:58 PM
Thanks Main_St_Northborough--I couldn't remember, since I moved here (and changed my license!) about eighteen years ago! But thanks for communicating the proper regulation.
David Nolta July 20, 2012 at 04:02 PM
Be honest, Joe, there is more than one reason that "the Brazilians" (whom you continue to treat as a unit, rather than as individual human beings, some legal, some presumably illegal) would not feel truly welcome or comfortable on your programs.
milfordman July 20, 2012 at 04:10 PM
Illegal immigrants should not be issued driver's licenses. Or able to register vehicles. Simple enough.
David Nolta July 20, 2012 at 04:22 PM
I hear you, Dave, but my own experiences have been so different. I went home to Michigan to buy my first car (a small silver Tercel which I still miss!). I had not lived in Michigan for several years--I was finishing graduate school--and was not terribly certain that I would be employed for long where I got my first real job, in Massachusetts. So I went back to spend several weeks with my parents and they helped me to buy a car. I don't think I'm necessarily representative of the car-buying public, but I do think we in America live in an ever-more-mobile society, with all that implies, and there is no real call to stop someone from coming from another country, or another state, and buying a car and driving it (perhaps across the country--for example, I had a high school teacher who went to Germany, bought a car there, drove it around for several months, then had it shipped back to the US). I DO agree that the LICENSE route is the best way to control who gets behind a wheel, and if we cleaned up that area (including better driver education and testing--that was and still is a LOT better in Michigan), then we would be better at keeping unfit drivers off the road. Which is my priority in this debate. I am not for illegal activity, but I would prefer more of my tax dollars to go to keeping dangerous or unfit drivers off the road, than to determining where drivers come from.
David Nolta July 20, 2012 at 04:43 PM
I can't believe I'm saying this, but I have had a similar problem in Milford, Mark--except that unlike you, I am not positive the people having the parties (and throwing bottles and turning up the music right after the police leave) ARE illegal. Loud parties are a problem--and disregard for your neighbors and the police--that's what I mind. Not figuring out if one of the bottle-throwers is illegal, and one is not. So for me it boils down to a basic hierarchy of concerns. I am more concerned with the noise that keeps me up all night, than I am with the legal status of the perpetrator(s). That doesn't mean I am in favor of illegal immigration, it means that I am MORE against people treating me and my neighborhood and the police with contempt. I often think--give me a neighbor who is quiet and respectful even if he or she is illegal, rather than a loud and nasty garbage-tossing neighbor who is 100% American citizen. Similarly, put me on the road with an illegal who has a valid license, who is responsible behind the wheel, rather than an American citizen who's had ten drinks and never learned to drive to begin with... It's a spectrum, to my mind.
Ed Bertorelli July 20, 2012 at 06:03 PM
Tragically - entire areas of once beautiful homes are now run down- with the brave homeowners still trying to keep up their properties being harassed by neighbors either legal or otherwise who live in houses owned by absentee landlords. I used to deliver the paper on West St and Bancroft Ave and lived/grew up on upper Water St and I look at what happened around there and feel sad and angry about it.
David Nolta July 20, 2012 at 07:29 PM
I hear ya' Ed! I live right there, and when I moved in almost 18 years ago, it was a quiet, clean, self-respecting neighborhood. Hardly recognizable now. But there are still so many nice people, people who do know how to treat their neighbors well. So I'm still very hopeful.
David Nolta July 20, 2012 at 07:36 PM
What does that mean, Joe: "from their own lips"? You make it sound like ALL the Brazilians all said in unison exactly what you wanted to hear. However many there are, they EACH have lips--two of 'em, just like you! And they are not a megalithic creature, but individuals, with different opinions and ideas and beliefs, just like you! And until you begin to accept that, you will never, for all your claims, "know" "the Brazilians".
Joe Rizoli July 21, 2012 at 01:24 AM
Doesn't take rocket scientist to figure out this movement of dilapidated neighborhoods through a term that we call "third world momentum", when people from foreign countries but not citizens of the United States start moving into houses half-dozen at a time sleeping in "hotbeds".  They continue the blight that comes from having no connection to the society that they moved into. This why they have no respect for authority or their American neighbors.  These people continue to live as though they were living in their countries of origin. In a sense, their bringing blight to a neighborhood is their own protest against Americans for using them as slave laborers. They just don't care knowing that in a few years they will probably go back to their nation of origin. Joe Rizoli
Myd Nevins July 21, 2012 at 01:28 PM
I will say that <5000 is a more realistic number than your previous claims.
David Nolta July 21, 2012 at 02:51 PM
Joe, the way we describe a problem is an opportunity to begin to solve it. Or to make it worse. So while I understand and share your frustration about decaying neighborhoods and blight, I can never understand your method of approach. You base everything on an unnecessary and divisive premise, that there is a univocal "WE"-the good guys, the American citizens-and on the other side of the fence (which clearly isn't a real fence, or if it is, it isn't so effective), "THEY"-the bad guys, people who are not citizens, who sleep in "hotbeds" and have no respect for their American "owners". But until we accept that there is no us and them, the problem can only get worse. In other words, we must stop stereotyping non-citizens (who do not all act as you constantly claim), and consider the fact that every person, legal or illegal, is an individual and a human being, and acts differently, and what is more has, in this country thank God, a right to speak for, justify, and explain him- or herself. So while you condemn the illegal alien as a single unit, you still haven't addressed the situation in which we all-even the illegals-participate and have a stake: HOW, fairly and humanely and without discrimination or racist profiling, are we to identify these illegals? How are we to judge them, given the individual stories that bring them here-stories which can continue here for decades? How do we handle families with kids born here, who are legal? Is it cheaper to deport than to assimilate? ETC
Joe Rizoli July 21, 2012 at 04:09 PM
Actually David, my anger lies more against the Americans than the illegal aliens. These are the ones that have turned the illegals into a slave class of people.  The illegals in return know they are not respected and thus do everything they can to take out of a system they cannot be legally part of and do whatever they can to get this free. So please don't think I see this. The problem is that by thus acting in this manner I obviously am not happy with the illegals conduct either. They truly have banded together and quite nicely caused havoc by dividing America. What do they care.  They win either way on the long run. Actually the movie The Time Machine describes the situation for all of us. The Morlocks have all of us as their working slaves. We are the Eloi, the illegals mixed in with us.   Just because I use the word "they" it applies to this illegals and the elite that rules over all of us. If the illegals are using the false methods to continue their stay here obviously I am not going to be happy with that conduct. If I really exposed the people behind all of this my writings would be banned off this list, the illegals would look like angels as compared to my anger against this ruling elite. Read John F Kennedy's words that he used to explain all of this. http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/22704/JFK___Illuminati_Exposed_as_Evil_World_Rulers/ Joe Rizoli
The Troll of Northborough July 21, 2012 at 04:55 PM
An international license can be used in the USA, as well a Passport is a legal ID, a migrating worker, or visiting person would NOT need a “resident” license. Its exactly that, why twist it? A Mass RESIDENT license,, is for R-E-S-E-D-E-N-T-S Not visitors, you live here? Show me, I give you one.
Rosie C August 25, 2012 at 08:23 PM
I am a legal citizen here in the US. I am very upset that americian act so childish judging others cause of skin color or the way the talk.. The illegal alien want the same as you freedom and to take care of there families without having to worry about being deported. I mean come on people learn something new.. Learn to help snd live with others. And then nobody would be illegal. There should not be names put on people. They have a mind just like you for the right and wrong. I live around mexicians and they have no paper but they want to live life same as you do. But they live looking over there shoulder hoping not to be deported. They want thier legal papers but they afraid if they try to get them they get deported. They been here 6 yrs or longer. Blacks were used like they doing the mexicians now. Make the mexicanos legal too. It is not right. Everybody just follow the rules or go to jail like any other person in US not be deported unless they keep causing big problems then tell them if you follow the rules all will be ok... and so on...
Mark Cain August 28, 2012 at 04:14 AM
Rosie, your not a good citizen. We follow the rule of law and if you don't like it then beat it.
HyeAghcheg August 28, 2012 at 01:44 PM
It's the ability to show your birth certification or Citizenship papers. Those that are citizens also have photo ID cards...drivers license or state photo ID cards. We all have social security numbers.
Jim Rizoli August 28, 2012 at 03:13 PM
Rosie....Can I go to Mexico, Brazil whatever... and drive without a license for an extended time? Can I collect food stamps, and other social benefits? Why do the illegals think it's all about them? There are laws that have to be obeyed why is it so hard for people to understand that. Follow the rules and things will be fine, don't follow them and you'll be looking over your shoulder for a very long time. Americans just want you to obey the laws.....you want to change them. Jim@ccfiile.com
Bob August 28, 2012 at 11:42 PM
There are reasons: that we have laws, that we cannot pick and chose which laws we will and will not follow, that there are lane lines painted on the roads, why we need licenses to drive and hunt and carry weapons. There are a myriad of rules and regulations that we as a society must follow routinely on a daily basis in the normal conduct of our lives. we can't just walk into someones home on a hot humid evening just to use their pool to cool off... There must be law and order or there is just anarchy. The US is THE most giving nation on the face of this Earth. There is no more generous, compassionate and giving people. We are a diverse nation that has taken in peoples from all over and all that we ask in return for the chance at the American Dream is to contribute to society, work hard and follow the rules, that we are all subject to. You don't start this relationship by sneaking into the my house through an open window and then refusing to leave...just because you want to use my pool.
Joe Rizoli August 29, 2012 at 08:57 AM
Great talk before our big wig politicians about giving licenses to illegal aliens my a man who worked in the immigration system, DEA, and other law enforcement agencies to numerous to mention. This guy Michael Cutler, knows what he is talking about. http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/cutlertestimony021804.html Joe Rizoli
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HyeAghcheg January 22, 2013 at 02:11 PM
The voters in this state deserve the consequences of voting in Deval Patrick. You want liberalism, you've got it. Now, pay up in taxes to cover the cost.

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